{"id":5083,"date":"2013-12-10T12:00:29","date_gmt":"2013-12-10T12:00:29","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.markwilson.co.uk\/blog\/?p=5083"},"modified":"2013-12-07T16:49:46","modified_gmt":"2013-12-07T16:49:46","slug":"confusion-over-accounts-used-to-access-microsofts-online-services","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.markwilson.co.uk\/blog\/2013\/12\/confusion-over-accounts-used-to-access-microsofts-online-services.htm","title":{"rendered":"Confusion over accounts used to access Microsoft&#8217;s online services"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I recently bought a new computer, for family use (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.markwilson.co.uk\/blog\/2013\/11\/lenovo-found-lacking-with-lost-laptop.htm\">the Lenovo Flex 15 that I was whinging about the other week<\/a> finally turned up). As it&#8217;s a new PC, it runs Windows 8 (since upgraded to 8.1) and I log in with my &#8220;Microsoft account&#8221;. All good so far.<\/p>\n<p>I set up local accounts for the kids, with parental controls (<a href=\"http:\/\/windows.microsoft.com\/en-gb\/windows\/set-up-family-safety#set-up-family-safety=windows-8\">if you don&#8217;t use Windows Family Safety, then I recommend you do<\/a>! No need for meddling government firewalls at ISP level &#8211; all of the major operating systems have parental controls built in &#8211; we just need to be taught to use them&#8230;), then I decided that my wife also needed a &#8220;Microsoft account&#8221; so she could be registered as a parent to view the reports and over-ride settings as required.<\/p>\n<p>Because my wife has an Office 365 mailbox, I thought she had a &#8220;Microsoft account&#8221; and I tried to use her Office 365 credentials. Nope&#8230; authentication error. It was only some time later (after quite a bit of frustration) that <a href=\"http:\/\/www.edugeek.net\/forums\/windows-8\/114870-microsoft-office-365-account-not-microsoft-account-what.html\">I realised that the &#8220;Organization account&#8221; used to access <em>a Microsoft service<\/em> like Office 365 is not the same as a &#8220;Microsoft account&#8221;<\/a>. Mine had only worked because I have two accounts with the same username and password (naughty&#8230;) but they are actually two entirely separate identities. As far as I can make out, &#8220;organization accounts&#8221; use the Windows Azure Active Directory service whilst &#8220;Microsoft accounts&#8221; have their heritage in Microsoft Passport\/Windows Live ID.<\/p>\n<p>Tweeting my frustrations I heard back from a number of online contacts &#8211; including journalists and MVPs &#8211; and it seems to be widely accepted that Microsoft&#8217;s online authentication is a mess.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-partner=\"tweetdeck\">\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/markwilsonit\">@markwilsonit<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Office365\">@Office365<\/a> hahahahahahahhahahahahahaha (sorry it&#39;s a total mess)<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Jon Honeyball (@jonhoneyball) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/jonhoneyball\/statuses\/406180275182632960\">November 28, 2013<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>As Jamie Thomson (<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/jamiet\">@JamieT<\/a>) commented to Alex Simons (<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Alex_A_Simons\/\">@Alex_A_Simons<\/a>\u00a0&#8211; the Programme\u00a0Director for Windows Azure Active Directory), if only every &#8220;organization account&#8221; could have a corresponding &#8220;Microsoft account&#8221; auto-provisioned, life would be a lot, lot simpler.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I recently bought a new computer, for family use (the Lenovo Flex 15 that I was whinging about the other week finally turned up). 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I set up local accounts for &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.markwilson.co.uk\/blog\/2013\/12\/confusion-over-accounts-used-to-access-microsofts-online-services.htm\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Confusion over accounts used to access Microsoft&#8217;s online services<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_exactmetrics_skip_tracking":false,"_exactmetrics_sitenote_active":false,"_exactmetrics_sitenote_note":"","_exactmetrics_sitenote_category":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[218],"tags":[102,176,548,217,189,43],"class_list":["post-5083","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-technology","tag-active-directory","tag-azure","tag-family-safety","tag-office-365","tag-windows-8","tag-security"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.4 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Confusion over accounts used to access Microsoft&#039;s online services - markwilson.it<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/www.markwilson.co.uk\/blog\/2013\/12\/confusion-over-accounts-used-to-access-microsofts-online-services.htm\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_GB\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Confusion over accounts used to access Microsoft&#039;s online services - markwilson.it\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"I recently bought a new computer, for family use (the Lenovo Flex 15 that I was whinging about the other week finally turned up). 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